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Poster: Abonic Date: Mar 2, 2007 10:45pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Shut Down This Site!

I think the Internet Archive is a great site with a noble cause. I've spent many long hours uploading over a dozen PD feature films to the collection. Last week I even donated $50 to the Archive because it was running so slow, and the staff never answered my emails, I thought they needed money.

Now I find that terrorists have hijacked this part of the Archive and are using it for criminal purposes. Also, people are posting hundreds of items without leaving the slightest descriptions of what they are. They're using the Archive as a free file hosting service for their own websites. These rats are cheating the system.

Until the Archive staff figures out how to block out all this murderous jihadi garbage, they should close down this site right now.

Please don't respond to this post, because I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks!

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 4, 2007 12:53pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Ever consider that people could be uploading content with the intent of shutting down this site?

The US had no business invading Iraq, bombing Afghanistan etc., and if the US declared war on everyone of MY faith, I would be launching a Christian Jihad against the US government, myself.

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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 21, 2007 10:47pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

What if it's heavy metal christian raise by the STP family attempting to through the world out of balance just to prove a point........Catch bull @ 4, CENTRAL TIME or howard Stern wanting to see some more assmen with cow utter'd hemroids.........remember history attempts to repeat it's self, but this time there is blood sucking aliens, good thing they have enemies as well.......spin your plasma T.V. and receive $15.00 your first visit.

Free your mind in a worldly way and quit takin' my shit.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 5, 2007 9:35am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Glenn, that is about the most ridiculous thing I have heard so far. Yeah and if the Empire won in episode 4, the Jedi's would be terrorists too... Theoretics are great, reality is here. The US did not declare war on anyone's religion. Have you read the constitution? It basically gives you the right to worship anyway you want. I guarantee we have more mosques than Tehran has synagouges or churches. We ebrace all races and religions, THAT IS WHY THEY HATE US. We allow choice and that is contrary to submission to allah. We allow women's rights, we allow singing and dancing. Did you know you can be whipped in some muslim countries for drinking a beer and dancing with a girl? Are you just wanting to take the hip progressive (to where I'll never figure the fuck out) side of all arguments and throw out 2 and 3 word catch phrases and look around the room for a chuckle? This is not a game, these people will slit your throat just as fast as they would slit mine if they could. Please investigate for yourself. I hope you come around, we need all the help we can if we are going to survive the days to come. I aint shittin you! The whole "we started this" argument can be quickly debunked with Wikipedia and about 5 minutes. Please review the material and report back tommorow for your mission breifing. I have a bomb belt for you.

PS- Yes we had business in Afghanistan, were you watching TV earlier this century. See any news articles about planes hitting buildings? Yeah I missed that too... You must be kidding, that is why I skipped that point altogther until I realized it was even more ridicules than the Christian Jihad statment. Iraq is debatable, but even the left wing politicians believed in going after the Taliban and Al Queada. "no business bombing afghanistan"... UNREAL... I am having a flashback... oh wait this isn't the GD forum.

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 5, 2007 3:37pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

"The US did not declare war on anyone's religion."
You're right, it was GW Bush that did that.

"Have you read the constitution?"
Have you read the Patriot Act?

"THAT IS WHY THEY HATE US."
Who? Bush, Cheney and the gang? They hate our freedom? Yes, that's why they have concocted this 'war on terror' to curtail the inconvenince of allowing us the freedoms we claim as inherent in all persons.

"We allow choice"
We weren't allowed to choose our most recent president, we weren't allowed to choose whether to go to war.

"Did you know you can be whipped in some muslim countries for drinking a beer and dancing with a girl?"
Did you know that you can be taken captive and sent off to be tortured for no reason in the United States?

"This is not a game, these people will slit your throat just as fast as they would slit mine if they could."
Oh please, by 'these people' who do you mean, Muslims?

"Please investigate for yourself. I hope you come around, we need all the help we can if we are going to survive the days to come."
Who is this 'we' you keep referring to? Ignorant bigots?

"I aint shittin you! The whole "we started this" argument can be quickly debunked with Wikipedia and about 5 minutes."
It's going to take more than 5 minutes research to straighten out.

"PS- Yes we had business in Afghanistan, were you watching TV earlier this century. See any news articles about planes hitting buildings?"
What do you claim is the connection between planes hitting buildings and the US Air Force dropping bombs on Afghanistan?

"Iraq is debatable, but even the left wing politicians believed in going after the Taliban and Al Queada."
Politicians can beleive whatever they want to believe, I've seen no evidence to justify the US invasion of Iraq, no evidence connecting Al-Quaeda with the events of 9/11/2001 and never even heard anyone say the Taliban was responsible for attacks on the US.

Please, before you try to lecture me on world affairs, open your eyes and do some research yourself. Your post screams ignorance.

Being stupid is not correctable, and I wouldn't expect you to try to change if I thought stupidity was the problem... but remaining ignorant is something you chose for yourself, since you obviously have access to the same information I have access to.

Wait until the US Air Force is strafing your quiet American street, and it will be too late to do anything about it.

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Poster: BrewsterKahleRocks Date: Mar 22, 2007 5:56pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Have you guys considered that perhaps there's common ground? If Bush is a lying cheating scum, that doesn't mean that the Sunni and Shi'a he's fighting aren't lying cheating scum too. Both are in fact. Read their instruction manual - it tells them quite explicitly to be lying cheating scum when it comes to dealing with the infidel. Surely, there's a copy here!

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 22, 2007 11:45pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

I'm very certain that whoever turns out to be responsible for the events of 9/11/2001 and many of the subsequent, related, maltreatment of innocents, war profiteering, and all that came as a result will in fact turn out to be people who could very fairly be labelled as "lying cheating scum" and worse.

But I am equally certain that, for instance,there was no justification in bombing Afghanistan that is in any way related to the destruction of the World Trade Center.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 20, 2007 10:49am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

You are a paranoid freak. Everyone of the points you made is false, anyone can verify that. US airforce straffing my street? Are you fucking kidding or are you retarded?

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 21, 2007 12:18am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

The US already has homeland security videotaping everyone at peaceful antiwar demonstrations, and has already for like 10 years, been descending unannounced on small towns and taking them over 'as an exercise'.

Like Ben Franklin said, anyone who exchanges liberty for security deserves neither.

Obviously you are happy with how things are, and prefer to ignore what's going on around you... I made the point that you are ignoring and therefore ignorant and you call me a fucking retard.

I don't hide behind fake names on the internet, Telephone Toughguy. Why do you?

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 21, 2007 7:08am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

OK, the only Glenn in the world, I am hiding and you are outed. Dude, I really do not feel the need to continue this discussion after reading your last post. Insulting you was not cool, my bad. I just cannot beleive that you really believe all the things you say and I am concerned that it may be a sign of obsessive compulsive disorder or some other personality disorder, because the viewpoints you espouse seem fanciful and irrational and overwhelmingly hard to believe. If there was all these conspiracies happening I doubt they would let us have this conversation, or are we even actually typing this? We could be hooked up to the collective like in the matrix and we just have different programming. Either way, sorry for the low blow, whether you believe what I say is sincere or not, you have no way to tell.

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 21, 2007 1:02pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

I think you have some hatred deep inside of you and that when you post anonymously on the internet, you feel very free to express it, without regard to its impact on either you or those to whom you direct it.

I think I may actually be the only Glenn in the world, Glenn is my full legal name, and my address and phone number as well as my biography may be pretty easily found with only a little bit of looking.

I certainly do not use internet anonymity as an excuse for boorish behavior. I am very open about who I am and what I believe.

Nothing that I have stated or opinions I have expressed are flights of fancy. If you question any specific item, I would be glad to direct you to factual sources for information...

however I don't feel obligated to try to download my entire body of knowledge into your head. I didn't have to pay anything for most of it, all it took was some effort and diligence on my part. A little skepticism can help, but there are things that even the most cynical skeptic can accept as fact, if you can get beyond the 'all of everything is an illusion, or consensual hallucination' mindset. While that may be true in many aspects, there are also hard facts which cannot be readily disputed.

You, however, do dispute, essentially, everything I say, without actually taking an opposite position or in any way arguing or debating.

That's your perogative, and entirely acceptable, however it's not wise to hold onto ignorance, and not healthy to harbor hate inside yourself, and not welcome for you to spew it out at the world anonymously.

YOUR hate harms YOU. It is entirely yours. Hate is not something that can be gotten rid of by giving it to another, you just have to let go of your attachment to it.

Hatred, and anger damage everyone, and anger and hatred are not things the outside world makes you have, they come from inside of you, and are nothing, are illusions of your own constructing and you can deconstruct your anger and hatred by just letting them go away.

Let your hatred and anger go, and it will not leave a void inside of you when they are gone.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 21, 2007 2:58pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Yes, young skywalker, release the hatred. Dude, you are nuts. I try to take back mental health slurs and apologize each time for immature behavior and you go on the attack again. Yes the things you believe are odd and fanciful. I was watching the news live on 9/11. I have seen enough propaganda from jihadi's claiming responsibility for it and even if they didn't, the fact that they cheer and paint murals in Iraq depicting it give me and 299,999,998 other Americans more than enough justification to make "the connection" between the Taliban, OBL and 9/11.

If in fact there was any evidence that the bush administration or the jews or aliens or whatever where behind 9/11 then someone would have taken that evidence and done something about it and it would have been covered in the freedom of information act and the constitution and all those other documents we use.

I don't hate you, I don't even hate the jihadi's I have had revelations in my life that have led me to a philosphy without hate in the hopes of having less heart attacks and annoying less people. So please don't assume to know how I feel or think, based on your skeptical and biased world views. You are more than welcome to believe in any conspiracy you want, but we are under no obligation to believe it as well.

So to sum things up, I agreed with you about not shutting the site down (ridicules) and believe (as you do I think- I do not go back and read the posts) that the jihadi posts should stay up. I am proud of the fact that you have a biography, are you a writer? My anonymity is just that, my business. To me you are just cyber-glenn and that is just as anonymous to me and everyone else (no one seems to want to chime in). So that point is not valid either. I never asked for your legal name and phone number, nor do I want it. Just as I would not want my name and address on here while I am threatening terrorists with pig sex and excrement consumption.

So go on and imagine me as a hating angry IT nerd if that is what you desire. Just know, or better yet, just hear me tell you that you are wrong about me and some of your claims as well.

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 21, 2007 10:32pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Just let it go. I promise it won't hurt a bit.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 21, 2007 3:18pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

i hate and dispise and ridicule evil whenever possible, (considering the pounds of glob between me ears)
sometimes it seems garbage in garbage out- that's when i fling sharp and pointy barbs with smug approval- hee-haw!

unroll your prayer rug and weep as you love your crooked neighbor with your crooked heart

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Poster: LordOfTheExacto Date: Mar 5, 2007 8:47am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Well, I favored the invasions, but I agree that shutting down the archive isn't the way to deal with this, any more than shutting down all cable is the way to deal with CNN. :)

I would like to see those videos given their own section, so they don't clutter up the Archive. But don't let's just delete them. Someday they may have historic value, just as "Birth of a Nation" and "Triumph of the Will" do today. (Let's hope that history shakes out in such a way that our ability to view videos freely will still be intact by that time.)

However, if they strain the resources of the Archive too much, it may be necessary to find some way of filtering them out. I realize one of the purposes of the Archive is to foster free speech and exchange of ideas, but in practical terms, the rest of its functions shouldn't be sacrificed for such a small portion of its usership.

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Poster: jonc Date: Mar 5, 2007 9:15am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Well put LordOfTheExacto. It should be noted that the Archive is not alone here. This is an issue on YouTube and Google Video as well. The Jihadists have hundreds of recruiting sites on the Web. When one goes down, several new ones pop up. Does Abonic suggest we shut down the Internet? Turn regulation over to Homeland Security and the like?

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 5, 2007 9:28am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

I agree, Abonic may be overreacting but let me explain, that was my initial reaction. Now I beleive this should be here for all to see. It's important to expose and counter. Send a message that unless you want to sit at a table without someone's head in a dufflebag and negotiate like civilized people, we will never allow Sharia law in the western world. The radical islamic findamentalist want to reinstate the caliphate rule of the middle ages from Spain to India. Do you understand the implications? Anyone who puts their religion before the lives of other living beings is evil, PERIOD. Religion has caused enough death, it's time for another age of enlightenment... the glow of ICBM mushroom's should make it easier to read in the dark in the dessert, god willing. Allahu Akbar.

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 5, 2007 4:12pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Are you working for COINTELPRO, Telephone Toughguy?

I ask because your posts seem to have a certain something that seems Counter to Intelligence.

I don't think anyone who thinks we should shut down this site or any other site is working in the interests of Freedom and Liberty in the U.S.A. or anywhere else.

Who gets rich when we go to war?

Who pays for it?

Who dies for it?

Who stands to gain by controlling the free flow of information?

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 5, 2007 7:44pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

I am against shutting down the site and against deleting the jihad stuff and you are questioning my intelligence? Are you reading the thread?

"I agree, Abonic may be overreacting but let me explain, that was my initial reaction. Now I beleive this should be here for all to see. It's important to expose and counter."

(That was me saying how I think the stuff should be left up here)

This post was modified by Telephone Toughguy on 2007-03-06 03:44:06

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 5, 2007 10:35pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

No, I'm saying you are ignorant, and that if you were stupid it wouldn't be anything you could change. Ignorance is fixable, but stupidity is pretty much permanent.

"Yes we had business in Afghanistan, were you watching TV earlier this century. See any news articles about planes hitting buildings?"

What does Afghanistan have to do with planes hitting buildings?

The US never received any credible intelligence connecting Afghanistan with the events of 9/11/2001.

To say the US bombed Afghanistan because of "planes hitting buildings" is ignorant. I'm pretty sure that even stupid people can understand that.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 6, 2007 6:34am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

You are not one of the 911 conspiracy people, are you? Dude, I am about done with this thread, especially if you see no connection. Debate is healthy and essential for democracy but resorting to insults and calling me ignorant is pointless. Obviously I am not ignorant or I would jsut reply:

"No one cares"

And,

"The USA started it"

and other baseless and unsupportable statements. Plus if I was ignorant, I would be all riled up right now and I am honestly looking forward to a nap in my car during lunch. So let's end this on good terms and agree to disagree that that Bin Laden was a Jewish spy plotting from a nazi moon base.

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 6, 2007 2:38pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

The reason you seem as if you work for COINTELPRO is your deliberate avoidance of the substance of the discussion, and your characterisation of people who make factual statements as being

"one of the 911 conspiracy people"

You say

"Debate is healthy and essential for democracy"

but you haven't debated.

I say that the US did not invade Iraq or Afghanistan because of credible intelligence or evidence that Iraq or Afghanistan was in any way connected with the 9/11/2001 attacks.

What do you say to that?

Ignorance isn't always just not knowing, it also can be deliberate ignoring of facts.

Saying that Iraq and Afghanistan and the Taliban and Al-Quaeda were not involved in the events of 9/11/2001 brings your response that "Bin Laden was a Jewish spy plotting from a nazi moon base." ... you are deliberately trying to associate historical fact with wild fantasy.

What is your motivation here?

This post was modified by glenn on 2007-03-06 22:38:33

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 6, 2007 3:06pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Ok Glenn... I have done nothing but be patient with you.
You really believe that attacking afghanistan was unjustified?

That point is not worth debating, even liberal bush haters agree that attacking the taliban was an appropriate response to 9/11, so I did not justify it with a response.

Please reread the thread and you will see I did debate everything clearly and you were the one who threw out evading questions instead of answers and you never made any case for anything. Unless you go back and modify your posts I cannot see how you can refute that. Then I realized we were not in the GD forum and that you might be one of those poeple who have a picture of waldo on the flight 93 or something. As for the nazi moon base comment, please see below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

I am turning off the email notification and moving on. Take care!

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 6, 2007 3:15pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Yes. Unjustified.

Afghanistan, Al-Quaeda, Taliban, Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden were all completely not connected to the 9-11 attacks.

If anyone thinks there is a connection, what is it?

I haven't evaded anything, just stated that the US has no justification for bombing Afghanistan and invading Iraq... at least none that I am awre of and at any rate, none related to what happened on September 11 2001.

Everyone in the whole world is welcome to offer any evidence to the contrary, and nobody has.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 8, 2007 10:20am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Uhhh... the saddam thing I have heard plenty, but please. I am not even going to look back here at this thread if you really believe that, because in that case you are completely lost. Have you had a chance to see all the videos on here that show people glorifying and taking credit for the attacks? That would be cosidered enough proof to 99% of rational people. Hello Mr 1%, nice to meet you. For anyone who does not hit the see parent post button, this guy believes that al queada and the taliban had nothing to do with 9/11... seriously. He really believes that. My point is made without needing to introduce and evidence. Lee Harvey killed JFK, he was a marine. We did land on the moon, there are witnesses. The taliban shletered bin laden who was behind 9/11... or was it the jews? Please come home... we miss you.

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 8, 2007 10:57am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

And now you introduce irrelevant well-known 'conspiracy theories' in an attempt to make yourself seem rational and me a 'conspiracy nut'.
There are always people who will make claims of responsibility for any famous atrocity, are you implying that all of them are correct?

"That would be cosidered enough proof to 99% of rational people."

No, I think rational people actually look at the evidence and make up their own mind.

"My point is made without needing to introduce and evidence."

This is exactly my complaint, you make wild allegations that are nothing short of ignorant, and then clainm no need for evidence.

"The taliban shletered bin laden who was behind 9/11"

This one is utterly ridiculous, show me one mainstream news source that makes any sort of claim remotely supporting a connection between the Taliban and bin Laden.

Osama bin Laden has closer ties to George W. Bush than to the Taliban.

Please just keep posting your wild and unsupported speculations, you are proving my point that you are either ignorant of the facts, or are deliberately misrepresenting them for some purpose.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 8, 2007 11:40am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Obviously you are mistaken and are not reading your own posts. Stop trying to make it look like I am the irrational one as everyone who reads this post will see that the simple untruth about the lack of connections made by yourself is contradictory to the findings of the 9/11 commission, video's posted here (search 911, jihad, bin laden and numerous videos of terrorist glorifying and taking credit for 911). There is your proof, no what exactly do you consider proof that terrorists did not attack the WTC on 9/11? I'd love to see that, especally if it's that vague BBC report about buidling 7 falling before it fell. In today's world of instantaneous communicatio and 24 hour media, I fear the days of new conspiracies are over... thank goodness. I will completely ignore your personal attacks on me that arise from your frustration in knowing you are wrong and trying to make me look like an asshole. Newsflash, I am an asshole and am proud of it. I surely am not a follower and am skeptic about everything, read my posts... I don't think you are reading them. I think you are reacting to them in a robotic, psychotic autoresponse and may even be pulling my leg with all this because it's wacky. For a moment I thought you had come to some rational compromise and would stop but it seems you have to have the last word. I will not allow that.. EVER.

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Poster: FreeDem Date: Mar 8, 2007 12:32pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re:Flame wars

Not to get into a 2 person flame war (and get flamed from both sides) but there is quite a few videos that can clarify all sides of this.

For the first point Kieth Olbermann said it way better than I ever could and that video is here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVeXUhwMeLw
few people have been more eloquent on the point.

Secondly I agree that the loose brains group is nuts. I suspect (but cannot prove) that they are a Republican group trying to make all who think official stories are a bit weird sound nuts.

There is however a lot more sensible research, that has a lot more questions than answers, but even that is a first step to understanding. Few folk have had more focus or energy in pursuing answers to what happened than the so called "Jersey Girls" who lost their husbands in 9-11.

They have taken all they have discovered and many of the questions and put them in another video that has no fantasy physics, or impossible conspiracies, or any unvetted information. That video is here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083
the timeline they talk about is here
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
for anyone who wants to see the range of vetted information.

The BBC also did a terrific series of three one hour shows that also dealt with the reality, and history of who and what the Islamists were and are that deserves a look here:
http://www.reallynews.com/video/pon/powerofnightmares.htm

And finally an Afgan-American Tamim Asary who knew the real story before most of the rest of us wrote a letter of caution days after 9-11 that called for intelligence rather than a feel-good "bomb them till the bricks bounce" that every American felt in those days that brought my own jingoism to a quick halt at that time. Now that letter can be found here: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/ansary.htm.

Even if nearly every word from this administration regarding the threat was true, the rank stupidity, incompetence, corruption, and stated goal that there be a permanent war to give them power, makes them more dangerous than any gang of thugs that are at the margins even, of the society that they live in, aside from being halfway around the world.



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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 8, 2007 1:41pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Re:Flame wars

Although slightly touching on a conspiracy theory about republicans in itself, your post had a lot of things to back up whatever side you are on (or not on?) I'll definitely check them out... Thanks for providing those links.

Is it time to go home yet?

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Poster: FreeDem Date: Mar 8, 2007 3:02pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: More info and fixed links

Unfortunately there is no preview or edit on this so a few of the links need help the "Jersey girls" video did not work but here is a new try http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250&q=Press+For+Truth
and the Tamim Ansary letter had an extra period at the end of the sentence that caused that link to fail, so here it is again without the period at the end
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/ansary.htm

As I pointed out before the horrors of incompetence, and stupidity are so extreme as to suggest that they are deliberate. Peter Galbraith had a ring side seat and listed the incompetence in stunning detail, but said that he believed it stupidity beyond any possibility of planning, even in the face of his own attempts to educate that eventually forced his retirement.

In his book he has a picture of a room full of records of Saddam's secret police, who they were and, who the informants were etc (basically a laundry list of the names and addresses of the insurgents and what they did for Saddam)Nir Rosen has an article here that tells what happened to that room full of records here
http://www.bostonreview.net/BR31.6/rosen.html

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 9, 2007 1:38am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Re:Flame wars

Thanks for the links.

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Poster: realtimeentertainment11 Date: Apr 25, 2007 3:43am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Re:Flame wars

Wow, out of all the things, I never thought stuff like this was happening on this site!

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 8, 2007 12:09pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

..."what exactly do you consider proof that terrorists did not attack the WTC on 9/11?"

I never said that terrorists did not attack, obviously when thousands of people are murdered, it is by definition a terrorist act.

"I will completely ignore your personal attacks on me that arise from your frustration in knowing you are wrong and trying to make me look like an asshole. Newsflash, I am an asshole and am proud of it."

I'm not making personal attacks, I'm merely stating as fact that you are ignorant, either in the sense that you do not know or in the sense that you are ignoring the facts.

"For a moment I thought you had come to some rational compromise and would stop but it seems you have to have the last word. I will not allow that.. EVER."

Yes, that's certainly what I thought, that you would not give me a link to any credible source that connects, for instance, the Taliban and Osama bin Laden, or perhaps that shows that any of:
Iraq
Afghanistan
Saddam Hussein
The Taliban
Al-Quaeda
were connected by some sort of evidence with the events of 9/11/2001,
OR that the invasion of Iraq or the bombing of Afghanistan were in response to any threat to the people of the United States.

Rather than 'prove me wrong' by offering any one single bit of evidence, you have made wild speculations about what my beliefs are, and plainly stated that you will not allow me to have the last word.

I'm not interested in the last word, since we aren't having an argument or a debate or anything like it. To do that, would mean that our responses would address the points the other has introduced.

You are trying very hard to discredit me as some sort of conspiracy nut, while I am merely wondering why. You have made some very strange and obviously untrue claims to do so, and it almost seems as if you are trying to discredit yourself as well... as if you want people to think that only wackos would discuss 9/11 and the subsequent events, whatever opinion they might express. As if you are simply trying to suppress all discussion on the topic whatsoever.

It has become quite obvious that your ignorance is of the intentional type, rather than merely not knowing.

I really wonder why you have deliberately taken a willfully ignorant position, or rather, numerous willfully ignorant and even conflicting positions.

Since you have clearly stated your intent to have the last word, I eagerly await your next post.

For anyone who is confused by this discussion, just go back to the beginning of the thread and read it. It's pretty self-explanitory.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 8, 2007 12:56pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Shut Down This Site!

Amazing... I am done, you win. I was wrong. Osama had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Al queada has nothing to do with the Taliban. Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia. You are free to believe what ever you want.

Take care

PS Remember, I agreed with you that the stuff should not be taken down and that the site should obviously not be shut down. I agree about freeflow of information at all levels and agree with you that everyone should investigate and determine the truth for themselves.

The conspiracy nut references were coming from the average persons perspective of people who believe in alternate theories of 9/11 that I have heard like the jews did it, bush did it, etc. I don't know you and you might not be crazy at all and it was not my intent to insult you, ok?

This post was modified by Telephone Toughguy on 2007-03-08 20:56:23

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 9, 2007 12:43am
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Well, I suggest that before you listen to anybody's THEORY on what happened, you put together a list of what facts are available.

Maybe even read the 9/11 commission report, the part where they say that even their best theory has a low likelihood of occurrence.

I'm not wanting to insult you either... if you seriously want to know more about those terrorist attacks, you might really like I said, put together a list of what is an actual fact... there are very few of those, but from the facts, you can piece together what probably didn't happen.

The problem is that a lot of accounts of the events make some unwarranted assumptions, and leap to unsound conclusions from those assumptions.

For instance, I accept as a fact that aircraft hit both WTC towers and the Pentagon, but I think the evidence is pretty inconclusive as to who made that happen, and how, and why... and even which particular aircraft they were.

There were some pretty puzzling things going on that day, and some pretty wild coincidences, unless they weren't coincidences.

There was also a lot of things that seem to have happened that can't have actually happened.

And some strange stuff that seems almost impossible... like a hijacker seems to have brought his passport with him on a suicide mission where he wasn't planning on crossing any borders, and the paper passport escaped the flaming explosion of jet fuel and landed intact on the street, but that same ball of jet fuel reduced a steel framed building into lengths of steel and powdered concrete, which fell to earth at free-fall speeds... or so it seems.

I once saw a magician turn a woman into a tornado of flame, and then reconstitute her from thin air... or so it seems.

I've read some reports in the Times about gold bars in the basement that seem pretty strange... and those same gold bars were recovered from wreckage, at least some of them, but the wreckage had molten pools of steel, and gold melts easier than steel... and no reports of any melted gold bars...

I wonder why the wreckage was carted away and sold as scrap before a thorough criminal investigation, and why there were tiny fragments of human bone found on top of buildings nearby...

I could make all kinds of speculation about how or why these things happened, but it isn't speculation to say that there was no evidence connecting Iraq or Afghanistan with those events... even US government representatives have said that.

It's pretty obvious the whole thing (the towers, the pentagon, the 4 apparently hijacked planes) has some sort of connection, so to me it's pretty obvious that there was a conspiracy of some sort going on,

(it's a conspiracy any time 2 or more people plan a crime and then carry out any part of that crime)

but I'd not want to speculate about who conspired, to do what, or how they did it or why.

Someone benefited though, there were some strange stock market profits just before the stock market closed down that week, and there were the brand new insurance policies on the buildings in New York that paid pretty well.

Then there was that strange story about the government having misplaced some billions of dollars that was big in the news on 9/10/2001, and not on the news at all the next day, even though the computers with the records that would have allowed the government to trace what happened to the missing money were apparently destroyed when something hit the Pentagon... maybe one of the best surveilled sites on Earth, yet no pictures of anything recognisable hitting the building, which puzzles me.

But I don't have any theory to connect any of this, it just seems stranger to me than the Warren commission deciding that a single bullet did so much damage in November 1953 in Dallas. I can believe that a bullet can ricochet in a lot of strange ways, and change direction radically, and maybe even end up in perfect condition after hitting at least 4 bones in 2 bodies and breaking through a glass windshield and all of that...

...but I really can't come up with a theory that sounds plausible for 9/11, any more than the 9/11 commission was able to do so. Like they said, their best theory had a low likelihood of occurrence.

But I appreciate that you weren't trying to insult me, and I didn't intend my calling you ignorant as an insult either.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 9, 2007 9:01am
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Well a healthy skeptisism is just that. The only things I can explain off the top of my head is that the scrap all went to Jersey and the garbage business is mob controlled so maybe they wanted to go through and recover valuables or something. The bones could be several things from the initial explosion or seagulls picking up body parts and shitting them out or dropping them. It has rained frogs without the help of god before, due to upcurrents and storm activity. I'll look through what is out there and I always keep an open mind which is why I was insulted, but it's water under the bridge. Thanks, and by the way... here is some background music.

http://www.archive.org/details/Jihadmypenis

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 9, 2007 11:01am
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Maybe seagulls... that's at least plausible... but don't try to explain it until you can get more info, that's a healthy attitude. There's some diagonally cut steel support columns that I'm pretty sure weren't cut by any kind of birds. That's a kind of funny thing to find if the building just collapsed under its own weight, all at once.

It seems that a pretty unusual sort of very hot fire would be needed to burn through all of the steel supports in the building at once, and leave melted puddles of steel 2 months later. If the supports didn't all fail on every floor, and uniformly around the core of the building, and even the center core itself, all at once and perfectly evenly, the towers would have fallen on their sides.

Imagine the disaster that would have been. I don't know if you believe in God, but something pretty amazing happened that day, something very much like a miracle.

I know, some people say that everything is a miracle, but I generally expect things to behave as the laws of physics would predict them to behave, and I wouldn't have expected both buildings to fall straight down, with no resistance to keep them from free-falling into the massive excavation of the basement and sub-basement levels.

I know strange things can happen, and there sure were a lot of strange things happening that day.

Seems as if there must be some connection between the missing planes, the missing passengers, the collapsed towers and the other impact at the Pentagon, the confusion at NORAD, and some of the subsequent events.

Maybe there's no connection at all, but it sure would be nice to get news reports that were at least plausible, instead internally inconsistent. Wildly unlikely things that the news reported as fact, didn't have sources or evidence, and sometimes the news on one station would use the news on other stations as their sources...

Keep up the healthy skepticism, and keep researching anything you want to know the truth about. If you believe in God, maybe you would want to pray for some true answers, and if you don't believe in God, you might start asking yourself what else can produce seemingly miraculous events.